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04-06-2006, 01:10 PM
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...they seem to hold on to their shit logo and Alex Grey artwork.

Earlier today i've been noticed that the Tool gig in Berlin on June 7 has been moved to a bigger location. Those fucktards just cannot make enough money. I believe that MLK alone, THE booking agency in Germany (they own Rock im Park/Rock am Ring) is responsible for this. Now look what they have on their website.


http://www.mlk.com/artist.html?Id=429

To me, this looks like it could be a promo poster for the new Tool. Wonder who created it, if it is official or not. Either way, it is just as shitty as the logo itself. fool.
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well fuck...

...they seem to hold on to their shit logo and Alex Grey artwork.

Earlier today i've been noticed that the Tool gig in Berlin on June 7 has been moved to a bigger location. Those fucktards just cannot make enough money. I believe that MLK alone, THE booking agency in Germany (they own Rock im Park/Rock am Ring) is responsible for this. Now look what they have on their website.


http://www.mlk.com/artist.html?Id=429

To me, this looks like it could be a promo poster for the new Tool. Wonder who created it, if it is official or not. Either way, it is just as shitty as the logo itself. fool.
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Awful.
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Awful.
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The fact thats its not symmetrical is so aesthetically off-putting. I really hope there is another "layer" or something to it.
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The fact thats its not symmetrical is so aesthetically off-putting. I really hope there is another "layer" or something to it.
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damn i would just be happy they are gonna be playing....and not bitch about the artwork of the promo pic....but that's just me
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damn i would just be happy they are gonna be playing....and not bitch about the artwork of the promo pic....but that's just me
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that logo doesn't fit anywhere, the makers haven't put much time to fit the logo to the pic.. or maybe the pic is just too small. but anyways, who cares.
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that logo doesn't fit anywhere, the makers haven't put much time to fit the logo to the pic.. or maybe the pic is just too small. but anyways, who cares.
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I don't really understand how anybody can say that's "awful". The asymmetrical nature gives it a sense of depth, and overall it's pretty damn aesthetically pleasing. What more could you want?
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I don't really understand how anybody can say that's "awful". The asymmetrical nature gives it a sense of depth, and overall it's pretty damn aesthetically pleasing. What more could you want?
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I don't really understand how anybody can say that's "awful". The asymmetrical nature gives it a sense of depth, and overall it's pretty damn aesthetically pleasing. What more could you want?
We are not seeing eye-to-eye tonight.

It's the logo that bothers me most.
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I don't really understand how anybody can say that's "awful". The asymmetrical nature gives it a sense of depth, and overall it's pretty damn aesthetically pleasing. What more could you want?
We are not seeing eye-to-eye tonight.

It's the logo that bothers me most.
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I agree, I think that looks pretty fucking cool.
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I agree, I think that looks pretty fucking cool.
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04-06-2006, 01:37 PM
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While I agree Emotive sucked, that album art kicks ass.
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While I agree Emotive sucked, that album art kicks ass.
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I dont know, theres still a long time before the album comes out
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I dont know, theres still a long time before the album comes out
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We are not seeing eye-to-eye tonight.

It's the logo that bothers me most.
The logo is OKAY in my opinion....I can certainly agree with you that the logo isn't as good as the artwork.

Is there some reason people don't like the logo other than it kinda looks like "fool"? I can't quite figure out what the justification is...serious question.
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We are not seeing eye-to-eye tonight.

It's the logo that bothers me most.
The logo is OKAY in my opinion....I can certainly agree with you that the logo isn't as good as the artwork.

Is there some reason people don't like the logo other than it kinda looks like "fool"? I can't quite figure out what the justification is...serious question.
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The logo is fine... your the fools.
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The logo is fine... your the fools.
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good god just shut the fuck up.


and ok we get it, emotive sucks. its just a cover cd. I don't like it. lets leave it at that and get over it.
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good god just shut the fuck up.


and ok we get it, emotive sucks. its just a cover cd. I don't like it. lets leave it at that and get over it.
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The logo really is pretty horrible. And it doesn't match the style of the art at all.
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The logo really is pretty horrible. And it doesn't match the style of the art at all.
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The logo is OKAY in my opinion....I can certainly agree with you that the logo isn't as good as the artwork.

Is there some reason people don't like the logo other than it kinda looks like "fool"? I can't quite figure out what the justification is...serious question.
I prefer the old Aenima-era TOOL logo. I didn't care for the Lateralus logo, either. I don't really have a rational argument for it, it's just a matter of taste, I guess. Something about this new logo just looks cheap to me.
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The logo is OKAY in my opinion....I can certainly agree with you that the logo isn't as good as the artwork.

Is there some reason people don't like the logo other than it kinda looks like "fool"? I can't quite figure out what the justification is...serious question.
I prefer the old Aenima-era TOOL logo. I didn't care for the Lateralus logo, either. I don't really have a rational argument for it, it's just a matter of taste, I guess. Something about this new logo just looks cheap to me.
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@orange:

money reasons is possibly a fact, but i guess, overall it is a decision for the people who just want to see the show. and, be honest, if you are under those who came a bit to late requesting a ticket, you would be rrrrreal happy and won't blame anybody on the money-aspect... (and: who knows, if the income-after-tax is that higher. bigger concert halls took higher rents, you have to pay more for security a.s.o.)
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@orange:

money reasons is possibly a fact, but i guess, overall it is a decision for the people who just want to see the show. and, be honest, if you are under those who came a bit to late requesting a ticket, you would be rrrrreal happy and won't blame anybody on the money-aspect... (and: who knows, if the income-after-tax is that higher. bigger concert halls took higher rents, you have to pay more for security a.s.o.)
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Oh noes...

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Oh noes...

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damn i would just be happy they are gonna be playing....and not bitch about the artwork of the promo pic....but that's just me
well i am more than happy that they're playing. However, i feel disgust now that they decided to move the gig from cosy Columbiahalle to shitty acoustics Arena just so they can sell more tickets.

Now, everyone here is leeching for any legit tidbit of info regarding the new album, and this pic is a tidbit, no? To me it says: The logo and Alex Grey's interbeing fuckstick shitpainting are part of the artwork for the new album (could it be that this pic actually shows the artwork? who knows. i hope not) or at least, they inspired MLK's graphics department intern to create a promo poster. Anyways, at the bottom left it says Visions, which is a well selling music magazine here, and to the right there is the World of Music logo, a successful german media retailer. So it seems to be halway official.

Conclusion: Go ask your mommy for milk, dipshit.
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damn i would just be happy they are gonna be playing....and not bitch about the artwork of the promo pic....but that's just me
well i am more than happy that they're playing. However, i feel disgust now that they decided to move the gig from cosy Columbiahalle to shitty acoustics Arena just so they can sell more tickets.

Now, everyone here is leeching for any legit tidbit of info regarding the new album, and this pic is a tidbit, no? To me it says: The logo and Alex Grey's interbeing fuckstick shitpainting are part of the artwork for the new album (could it be that this pic actually shows the artwork? who knows. i hope not) or at least, they inspired MLK's graphics department intern to create a promo poster. Anyways, at the bottom left it says Visions, which is a well selling music magazine here, and to the right there is the World of Music logo, a successful german media retailer. So it seems to be halway official.

Conclusion: Go ask your mommy for milk, dipshit.
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...they seem to hold on to their shit logo and Alex Grey artwork.

Earlier today i've been noticed that the Tool gig in Berlin on June 7 has been moved to a bigger location. Those fucktards just cannot make enough money. I believe that MLK alone, THE booking agency in Germany (they own Rock im Park/Rock am Ring) is responsible for this. Now look what they have on their website.


http://www.mlk.com/artist.html?Id=429

To me, this looks like it could be a promo poster for the new Tool. Wonder who created it, if it is official or not. Either way, it is just as shitty as the logo itself. fool.
This is the same picture that was posted on Toolband, but now we can see the entire thing (not cropped anymore). Am I taking crazy pills?
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...they seem to hold on to their shit logo and Alex Grey artwork.

Earlier today i've been noticed that the Tool gig in Berlin on June 7 has been moved to a bigger location. Those fucktards just cannot make enough money. I believe that MLK alone, THE booking agency in Germany (they own Rock im Park/Rock am Ring) is responsible for this. Now look what they have on their website.


http://www.mlk.com/artist.html?Id=429

To me, this looks like it could be a promo poster for the new Tool. Wonder who created it, if it is official or not. Either way, it is just as shitty as the logo itself. fool.
This is the same picture that was posted on Toolband, but now we can see the entire thing (not cropped anymore). Am I taking crazy pills?
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if you are under those who came a bit to late requesting a ticket, you would be rrrrreal happy and won't blame anybody on the money-aspect
true. but why did they announce Columbiahalle then in the first place? This is just a money thing.
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if you are under those who came a bit to late requesting a ticket, you would be rrrrreal happy and won't blame anybody on the money-aspect
true. but why did they announce Columbiahalle then in the first place? This is just a money thing.
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...they seem to hold on to their shit logo and Alex Grey artwork.

Earlier today i've been noticed that the Tool gig in Berlin on June 7 has been moved to a bigger location. Those fucktards just cannot make enough money. I believe that MLK alone, THE booking agency in Germany (they own Rock im Park/Rock am Ring) is responsible for this. Now look what they have on their website.


http://www.mlk.com/artist.html?Id=429

To me, this looks like it could be a promo poster for the new Tool. Wonder who created it, if it is official or not. Either way, it is just as shitty as the logo itself. fool.
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...they seem to hold on to their shit logo and Alex Grey artwork.

Earlier today i've been noticed that the Tool gig in Berlin on June 7 has been moved to a bigger location. Those fucktards just cannot make enough money. I believe that MLK alone, THE booking agency in Germany (they own Rock im Park/Rock am Ring) is responsible for this. Now look what they have on their website.


http://www.mlk.com/artist.html?Id=429

To me, this looks like it could be a promo poster for the new Tool. Wonder who created it, if it is official or not. Either way, it is just as shitty as the logo itself. fool.
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^see above. mommy, milk, dipshit.
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I used to like you orange.juice probably because of your Avatar.

But, please don't be negative about the artwork.

I love german cars...

I love you really....
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I used to like you orange.juice probably because of your Avatar.

But, please don't be negative about the artwork.

I love german cars...

I love you really....
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i actually think this version makes the artwork look badass. and who gives two puffs about a fuckin logo?
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i actually think this version makes the artwork look badass. and who gives two puffs about a fuckin logo?
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i actually think this version makes the artwork look badass. and who gives two puffs about a fuckin logo?

95% of this forum, it seems haha
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i actually think this version makes the artwork look badass. and who gives two puffs about a fuckin logo?

95% of this forum, it seems haha
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i actually think this version makes the artwork look badass. and who gives two puffs about a fuckin logo?
NOT ME!
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good god just shut the fuck up.


and ok we get it, emotive sucks. its just a cover cd. I don't like it. lets leave it at that and get over it.
actually, Passive is an original song. So basically, its not just a cover cd.
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good god just shut the fuck up.


and ok we get it, emotive sucks. its just a cover cd. I don't like it. lets leave it at that and get over it.
actually, Passive is an original song. So basically, its not just a cover cd.
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true. but why did they announce Columbiahalle then in the first place? This is just a money thing.
Ich antworte mal auf englisch, damit's auch jeder versteht:

It isn't "just a money thing". It's a matter of how many people want to go to the concert, in the first place. Should the concert agency rent the bigger venue right from the start?

Of course, acoustics is a point. However, Tool is not a club band anymore, they haven't been for a long time. You have to make a compromise.

By the way, MLK agency stinks, I agree.
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true. but why did they announce Columbiahalle then in the first place? This is just a money thing.
Ich antworte mal auf englisch, damit's auch jeder versteht:

It isn't "just a money thing". It's a matter of how many people want to go to the concert, in the first place. Should the concert agency rent the bigger venue right from the start?

Of course, acoustics is a point. However, Tool is not a club band anymore, they haven't been for a long time. You have to make a compromise.

By the way, MLK agency stinks, I agree.
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actually, Passive is an original song. So basically, its not just a cover cd.

technically, it was written for tapeworm with trent reznor. I think he gets credit for it too.

but majority, it's a cover cd. besides, it still sucks, and we get it already. no need to mention repeated opinions about it.
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actually, Passive is an original song. So basically, its not just a cover cd.

technically, it was written for tapeworm with trent reznor. I think he gets credit for it too.

but majority, it's a cover cd. besides, it still sucks, and we get it already. no need to mention repeated opinions about it.
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I like all of it.
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and the live version they were doing was so much better, I was really hoping that was the version that would be on the cd, no dice of course.

seeing the artwork enlarged, I like it.
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and the live version they were doing was so much better, I was really hoping that was the version that would be on the cd, no dice of course.

seeing the artwork enlarged, I like it.
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good god just shut the fuck up.


and ok we get it, emotive sucks. its just a cover cd. I don't like it. lets leave it at that and get over it.
Ok. Maybe 10,000 Days will be a cover CD, too.

Also, it's not just about the songs, it's about the message, and the fact that eMotive was disturbingly and shockingly juvenile. The kids at Nader headquarters probably had it on repeat while they shot themselves in the foot supporting the "liberal ideal". They'll be singing a decidedly different tune in a few years when gay marriage is outlawed at the federal level and Roe v. Wade is overturned because they couldn't see the forest for the trees.
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good god just shut the fuck up.


and ok we get it, emotive sucks. its just a cover cd. I don't like it. lets leave it at that and get over it.
Ok. Maybe 10,000 Days will be a cover CD, too.

Also, it's not just about the songs, it's about the message, and the fact that eMotive was disturbingly and shockingly juvenile. The kids at Nader headquarters probably had it on repeat while they shot themselves in the foot supporting the "liberal ideal". They'll be singing a decidedly different tune in a few years when gay marriage is outlawed at the federal level and Roe v. Wade is overturned because they couldn't see the forest for the trees.
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Some of you are fucking hillarious. People on here bitch and whine "OH will tool come here? I hope they play a full show here! Oh they never come here! IT's my dream to see tool"

And they move a show so that MORE FANS CAN GET TO SEE THEM and you all flip out, christ.
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Some of you are fucking hillarious. People on here bitch and whine "OH will tool come here? I hope they play a full show here! Oh they never come here! IT's my dream to see tool"

And they move a show so that MORE FANS CAN GET TO SEE THEM and you all flip out, christ.
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and the live version they were doing was so much better, I was really hoping that was the version that would be on the cd, no dice of course.

seeing the artwork enlarged, I like it.

I agree, live version was better. Trent and Maynard were supposed to go back and forth singing for it on regular studio version.
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and the live version they were doing was so much better, I was really hoping that was the version that would be on the cd, no dice of course.

seeing the artwork enlarged, I like it.

I agree, live version was better. Trent and Maynard were supposed to go back and forth singing for it on regular studio version.
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Arena shows suck balls. Acoustics tend to be les than idea and often times the standing section is so large you lose a lot of the atmopshere you tend to get at smaller, purpose built venues. If they hit Manchester, they better play the Apollo or the Academy or I'm going firebombing.
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Arena shows suck balls. Acoustics tend to be les than idea and often times the standing section is so large you lose a lot of the atmopshere you tend to get at smaller, purpose built venues. If they hit Manchester, they better play the Apollo or the Academy or I'm going firebombing.
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Arena shows suck balls. Acoustics tend to be les than idea and often times the standing section is so large you lose a lot of the atmopshere you tend to get at smaller, purpose built venues. If they hit Manchester, they better play the Apollo or the Academy or I'm going firebombing.
+1.

I saw APC in Wembley last time they came round. That place is souless. We were lucky that APC put on such a stellar performance, they blew the roof off the place. The Deftones were headlining and they were awful, I only hung around in case Maynard and that bloke from the deftones performed "Passenger."

And they had no cloakroom :/
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Arena shows suck balls. Acoustics tend to be les than idea and often times the standing section is so large you lose a lot of the atmopshere you tend to get at smaller, purpose built venues. If they hit Manchester, they better play the Apollo or the Academy or I'm going firebombing.
+1.

I saw APC in Wembley last time they came round. That place is souless. We were lucky that APC put on such a stellar performance, they blew the roof off the place. The Deftones were headlining and they were awful, I only hung around in case Maynard and that bloke from the deftones performed "Passenger."

And they had no cloakroom :/
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The artwork looks pretty sweet to me. There has to be a reason why the middle face is off center. Probly part of a larger picture or visual sequence. AG would not paint something slighty off center. I agree with Shadow to Anima though, the logo does look kind of tacky.
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The artwork looks pretty sweet to me. There has to be a reason why the middle face is off center. Probly part of a larger picture or visual sequence. AG would not paint something slighty off center. I agree with Shadow to Anima though, the logo does look kind of tacky.
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Ok. Maybe 10,000 Days will be a cover CD, too.

Also, it's not just about the songs, it's about the message, and the fact that eMotive was disturbingly and shockingly juvenile. The kids at Nader headquarters probably had it on repeat while they shot themselves in the foot supporting the "liberal ideal". They'll be singing a decidedly different tune in a few years when gay marriage is outlawed at the federal level and Roe v. Wade is overturned because they couldn't see the forest for the trees.
Hoping for a real, lasting peace is juvenile? Ditto for hoping for equality and a lack of prejudice?

I think people like Nader overestimated the vision of the American public. Some liberals realize that the general public is selfish and only moved when pushed. But then, the majority of the public is under-educated. And apparently quite homophobic.
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Ok. Maybe 10,000 Days will be a cover CD, too.

Also, it's not just about the songs, it's about the message, and the fact that eMotive was disturbingly and shockingly juvenile. The kids at Nader headquarters probably had it on repeat while they shot themselves in the foot supporting the "liberal ideal". They'll be singing a decidedly different tune in a few years when gay marriage is outlawed at the federal level and Roe v. Wade is overturned because they couldn't see the forest for the trees.
Hoping for a real, lasting peace is juvenile? Ditto for hoping for equality and a lack of prejudice?

I think people like Nader overestimated the vision of the American public. Some liberals realize that the general public is selfish and only moved when pushed. But then, the majority of the public is under-educated. And apparently quite homophobic.
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